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B: Later, you were stunned. How did this happen?

B: Later, you were stunned. How did this happen?

F: Yes, after a few nights I worked there, I was somehow shocked, because he did not put into practise what he promised [himself] in the beginning.

F: Yes, after I worked there for a few nights, I was somehow shocked, because he did not put into practice what he promised [himself] in the beginning.

B: What did he promise in the beginning?

B: What did he promise in the beginning?

B: You also noticed that he left patients alone without any treatment?

B: You also noticed that he left patients alone without any treatment?

F: Yes, in a way because in the evening, when I was looking into one or the other of the patient's rooms, they told me: "Oh, is it possible someone looks after us? I saw nobody during the whole of last week." Apart from personnel on day-service, of course, who delivered food and so on. But no medical treatment there. And they were a bit shocked to see that no doctor visited them regularly like it is common in other hospitals, where a doctor is looking after patients once or twice a day.

F: Yes, in a way, because in the evening, when I was looking into one or the other of the patient's rooms, they told me: "Oh, is it possible someone looks after us? I saw nobody during the whole of last week." Apart from personnel on day-service, of course, who delivered food and so on. But no medical treatment there. And they were a bit shocked to see that no doctor visited them regularly like it is common in other hospitals, where a doctor is looking after patients once or twice a day.

B: You told me in a preliminary chat about a particular female patient who had a hole in her thigh and an open leg without treatment. How was that?

B: In a previous talk you told me about a particular female patient who had a hole in her thigh and an open leg without treatment. How was that?

F: Yes, I happened to look into her room because I heard someone whimpering, and I thought: What's going on behind that door, and I looked in and sat down next to her asking what she had and so on. And then she said: "Yes, it's my cancer ulceration, and Dr. Hamer will..." ... At the end he wanted to heal that cancer. And I said: "Why are you crying, what sort of pain do you have ?" Then she lifted her blanket and I could see a hole in her thigh as large as a fist, and you could see the bone. And there was no treatment. So I answered: "Yes, why is nobody doing anything?" "Ah yes, he gave me some powder, and in case of pain I had to disperse some of that powder into the wound." I thought: "Never seen anything like that before!"

F: Yes, I happened to look into her room because I heard someone whimpering, and I thought: What's going on behind that door, and I looked in and sat down next to her, asking what she had and so on. And then she said: "Yes, it's my cancer ulceration, and Dr. Hamer will..." ... At the end he wanted to heal that cancer. And I said: "Why are you crying, what sort of pain do you have ?" Then she lifted her blanket and I could see a hole in her thigh as large as a fist, and you could see the bone. And there was no treatment. So I answered: "Yes, why is nobody doing anything?" "Ah yes, he gave me some powder, and in case of pain I had to disperse some of that powder into the wound." I thought: "Never seen anything like that before!"

B: Have you seen other similar cases? Extreme cases, in which you would say: "That's a bit extreme"?

B: Have you seen other similar cases? Extreme cases, in which you would say: "That's a bit extreme"?

F: Yes, I noticed a young girl. I suppose she had a bone tumour, and she was in terrible pain... One night she was beating her head in a rhythmic way against the wall of the room. And when I said to him [Hamer] "Doctor, we must absolutely give something to that girl, this [situation] is not normal", then he said "For God's sake, we must not give her any analgetic drug, that would influence the blood so that no healing process occurs." Yes, at that moment I believed that, being ignorant at that moment, I thought: "He ought to know".

F: Yes, I noticed a young girl. I suppose she had a bone tumour, and she was in terrible pain... One night she was beating her head against the wall of the room in a rhythmic way. And when I said to him [Hamer] "Doctor, we must absolutely give something to that girl, this [situation] is not normal", then he said "For God's sake, we must not give her any analgetic drug, that would influence the blood so that no healing process occurs." Yes, at that moment I believed that, being ignorant, at that moment I thought: "He ought to know".

B: You had no professional medical education at that time, you were only asked to help some people there for some nights.

B: You had no professional medical education at that time, you were only asked to help some people there for some nights.

F: Yes, I was especially hired for a French lady: she had breast cancer and her bandage had to be changed several times per night, but apart from her I was not supposed to take care of other people, because it was simply not my duty, since I was engaged by this Frenchman, her husband. But still, if you are alone in a ward at night, you look here and there, and if someone cries or moans - then you think: "You simply must have a look..."

F: Yes, I was especially hired for a French lady: she had breast cancer and her bandage had to be changed several times per night, but apart from her I was not supposed to take care of other people, because it was simply not my duty, since I was engaged by this Frenchman, her husband. But still, if you are alone in a ward at night, you look here and there, and if someone is crying or moaning - then you think: "You simply must have a look..."

B: You stayed there a longer time, because, if I understood correctly, you were meant to stay there until the arrival of a nurse.

B: You stayed there a longer time, because, if I understood correctly, you were meant to stay there until the arrival of a nurse.

B: So, this Mr. Hamer took care of a girl with a bone tumour ? We talked about that case earlier, can you explain that again?

B: So, this Mr. Hamer took care of a girl with a bone tumour ? We talked about that case earlier, can you explain that again?

F: Yes, I noticed when her suffering increased and we thought: "Oh God, the poor girl, we must help her" ...then I said to him: "Doctor, what can I do ?" Then he said: "Oh, it's not your duty, I will sleep next to her this night, this will appease her, and she will feel comforted and safe. And so on and on, and I thought: "This is a strange method, a doctor sleeping next to a patient, to appease her and make her feel safe. Never heard about this..". And that was a bit mysterious. And this only happened in the case of that young girl..

F: Yes, I noticed when her suffering increased and we thought: "Oh God, the poor girl, we must help her" ...then I said to him: "Doctor, what can I do ?" Then he said: "Oh, it's not your duty, I will sleep next to her this night, this will appease her, and she will feel comforted and safe." And so on and on, and I thought: "This is a strange method, a doctor sleeping next to a patient, to appease her and make her feel safe. Never heard about this..". And that was a bit mysterious. And this only happened in the case of that young girl..

B: And during the period you stayed there, he never gave any drugs?

B: And during the period you stayed there, he never gave any drugs?

B: In the case of bone tumour, in that specific case, or analgetic drugs, he did not give anything?

B: In the case of bone tumour, in that specific case, or analgetic drugs, he did not give anything?

F: No. This was not allowed, It ought not to happen. What happened earlier.. I started only in October [1985]... there must have been some drugs earlier, because once I heard: "The pharmacy does not give us drugs any more..", so he was able to get drugs from that pharmacy before.

F: No. This was not allowed. It ought not to happen. What happened earlier.. I started only in October [1985]... there must have been some drugs earlier, because once I heard: "The pharmacy does not give us drugs any more..", so he was able to get drugs from that pharmacy before.

B: You told me you noticed, during your nights there, he was working on his CT brain-scans very often.

B: You told me you noticed, during your nights there, he was working on his CT brain-scans very often.

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F: Yes, he once called me to come down [to the first floor], because I also started to question his theories slowly, and then he said: "I show you that, I can explain that to you, so that you will see from what this arises." So I went down to his room and he had hung up many CT brain-scans, and he explained to me: "This is Mrs X und that is Mr Y. Look at this skull here: there is that spot, this focus, and there is that focus being the cause, and caused by psychological problems" Shocks they had apparently had in the past, causing the cancer later. That was new to me, I never heard about that before and so I thought at that time: "This may perhaps be true." If you have never heard or seen anything about that before, then you think... Especially as a layman - I was a layman at that time. If I had had my professional training as a nurse at that time, then I would have been able to ask some questions. But being a layman you are... a bit innocent confronting such a thing...

F: Yes, he once called me to come down [to the first floor], because I also started to question his theories eventually, and then he said: "I show you that, I can explain that to you, so that you will see from what this arises." So I went down to his room and he had hung up many CT brain-scans, and he explained to me: "This is Mrs X und that is Mr Y. Look at this skull here: there is that spot, this focus, and there is that focus being the cause, and caused by psychological problems". Shocks they had apparently had in the past, causing the cancer later. That was new to me, I never heard about that before and so I thought at that time: "This may perhaps be true." If you have never heard or seen anything about that before, then you think... Especially as a layperson - I was a layperson at that time. If I had had my professional training as a nurse at that time, then I would have been able to ask some questions. But being a layperson you are... a bit innocent confronting such a thing...

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F: ..he forgot that apparently, because he used to work as a scientific physician before. But that was the past and what he had assumed now. was the truth now in his mind.

F: ..he forgot that apparently, because he used to work as a scientific physician before. But that was in the past and what he had assumed now, was the truth now in his mind.

B: So he was absolutely convinced of his ideas?

B: So he was absolutely convinced of his ideas?

F: Absolutely. Without doubt - he never showed any doubt about his method for even a second. He also never allowed any external objection. If someone dared to say: "Doctor Hamer, don't you think this or that would be the right way..?" "No, for God's sake, no!" Just at the hint: "We must give that girl something, to cease her suffering..." "For God's sake !"

F: Absolutely. Without doubt - he never showed any doubt about his method for even a second. He also never allowed any external objections. If someone dared to say: "Doctor Hamer, don't you think this or that would be the right way..?" "No, for God's sake, no!" Just at the hint: "We must give that girl something, to cease her suffering..." "For God's sake!"

B: Later, you worked with other physicians, were they also so absolutely convinced?

B: Later, you worked with other physicians, were they also so absolutely convinced?

B: So this was extraordinary?

B: So this was extraordinary?

F: That was extraordinary.

F: This was extraordinary.

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