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== 2016: Itziar Orube Bona et Francisca Molina (Espagne) ==

== 2016: Itziar Orube Bona et Francisca Molina (Espagne) ==

[[image:Itziar_Orube_EDDBO.jpg|Message au sujet du décès de Itziar Orube sur la page Web de son Escuela De Decodificacion Biologica Original (EDBO) (École de Décodification Biologique Originale) du 9.9.2016. Dans le texte, il est écrit qu'elle aurait "pris congé de nous pour toujours" jeudi dernier|400px|thumb]]

[[image:Itziar_Orube_EDDBO.jpg|Message au sujet du décès de Itziar Orube sur la page Web de son Escuela De Decodificacion Biologica Original (EDBO) (École de Décodification Biologique Originale) du 9.9.2016. Dans le texte, il est écrit qu'elle aurait "pris congé de nous pour toujours" jeudi dernier|400px|thumb]]

[[image:Itziar_Orube_Hamer.jpg|Itziar Orube avec Ryke Geerd Hamer|left|thumb]]

[[image:Itziar_Orube_Hamer.jpg|Itziar Orube avec Ryke Geerd Hamer|250px|left|thumb]]

[[image:Itziar_Orube.JPG|Itziar Orube sur la chaine de télévision publique espagnole TVE. Est inséré en bas de l'écran la phrase "Guérie avec la méthode Hamer"|400px|thumb]]

[[image:Itziar_Orube.JPG|Itziar Orube sur la chaine de télévision publique espagnole TVE. Est inséré en bas de l'écran la phrase "Guérie avec la méthode Hamer"|400px|thumb]]

Comme l'association espagnole RedUNE de prévention contre les dérives sectaires<ref>http://www.redune.org.es/</ref> l'a annoncé par deux emails sur le Blog transgallaxys <ref>Citation:<br>Spanish victims of the New Germanic Medicine and Bioneuroemotion<br>

Comme l'association espagnole RedUNE de prévention contre les dérives sectaires<ref>http://www.redune.org.es/</ref> l'a annoncé par deux emails sur le Blog transgallaxys <ref>Citation:<br>Spanish victims of the New Germanic Medicine and Bioneuroemotion<br>

« on: June 13, 2016, 09:36:39 AM »<br>Hi all.<br>I'm Emilio Molina, member of RedUNE (Spanish non-gubernamental organization for cult prevention). From three years now, RedUNE is following the worrying rise of "[[bioneuroemotion]]", a version of the "biodescodification", that is at its same time a version of the [[MNG|New Germanic Medicine]]. You can check a very extense (in Spanish, sorry) dossier about this movement: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1if3tkKoSJaoCUoESn20EA0mqABlASoe-olLqFJxj_Qw/edit?usp=sharing

« on: June 13, 2016, 09:36:39 AM »<br>Hi all.<br>I'm Emilio Molina, member of RedUNE (Spanish non-gubernamental organization for cult prevention). From three years now, RedUNE is following the worrying rise of "[[bioneuroemotion]]", a version of the "biodescodification", that is at its same time a version of the [[MNG|New Germanic Medicine]]. You can check a very extense (in Spanish, sorry) dossier about this movement: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1if3tkKoSJaoCUoESn20EA0mqABlASoe-olLqFJxj_Qw/edit?usp=sharing

<br>By following this movement, we have seen tons of pro-hamer websites and even associations in Spain, as "Plural21" (formerly "Asociación COBRA"), some doctors that keep spreading the word, and other people that is achieving to get Hamer's lethal tesis inside Universities and other places. We have also seen that there were (and keep being) victims of the [[MNG|NMG]]. The most recent we had notice, Francisca Molina, one month ago, as we found in this youtube comment of his brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXSuSPyIyI&lc=z13sd5jq2nznh1l3r23pd3loln25zn2qr04

<br>By following this movement, we have seen tons of pro-hamer websites and even associations in Spain, as "Plural21" (formerly "Asociación COBRA"), some doctors that keep spreading the word, and other people that is achieving to get Hamer's lethal tesis inside Universities and other places. We have also seen that there were (and keep being) victims of the [[MNG|NMG]]. The most recent we had notice, Francisca Molina, one month ago, as we found in this youtube comment of his brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXSuSPyIyI&lc=z13sd5jq2nznh1l3r23pd3loln25zn2qr04

<br>He says:<br>Juan Molina<br>a mi hermana francisca molina la iva a curar en cuatro semanas y la a matado en tres por mentalizarla a no tomar la medecina general<br>

<br>He says:<br>Juan Molina<br>a mi hermana francisca molina la iva a curar en cuatro semanas y la a matado en tres por mentalizarla a no tomar la medecina general<br>(With some typos: "He told my brother Francisca Molina he was going to heal her in four weeks, and he killed her in three by persuading her not to take her medicines"). [traduction: (Avec quelques coquilles/fautes de frappe: Il a dit à mon frère que Francisca Molina, il allait la guérir en quatre semaines, et il l'a tuée en trois en la persuadant de ne pas prendre ses médicaments)]<br>The video itself is from a pro-Hamer populator...<br>maria.fernandez<br>Newbie<br>Posts: 1<br>Spanish victims of the [[MNG|New Germanic Medicine]] and [[Bioneuroemotion]] (with updates)<br>

 

« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 12:23:07 PM »<br>Good afternoon everyone,<br>My name is Maria Fernandez, I'm also a member of RedUNE Spain, and I collaborate with Mr. Molina. I'm writing this message because yesterday we've been informed that Itziar Orube passed away. The cause of the death was complications of breast cancer at an advanced stage. She went to hospital due to severe pain and problems in the lungs, according to what her son and members from hospital staff have told us privately.<br>As Mrs. Orube was one of GNM's main figures here in Spain, we'd be grateful to share any related information with you. You can email either Mr. Molina or myself (maria.fernandez.redune@gmail.com). Thanks in advance,<br>Maria Fernandez Muñoz<br>RedUNE Spain<br>http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8934.0</ref>, est décédée le 8 septembre 2016 l'espagnole Itziar Orube Bona d'un cancer du sein avancé. Ce n'est que peu de temps avant son décès qu'elle est allée dans un hôpital à cause de douleurs intenses et de poumons remplis d'eau. Jusqu'à peu de temps avant son décès, elle croyait encore pouvoir se guérir elle-même avec la [[MNG]] <ref>Citation:<br>The Death of Itziar Orube<br>SEPTEMBER 14, 2016<br>Leading Germanic New Medicine proponent Itziar Orube has reportedly died<br>Earlier this year I blogged about the notorious [[Ryke Geerd Hamer]], a German physician who lost his medical license in 1986 after a number of patients in his care died.<br>

(With some typos: "He told my brother Francisca Molina he was going to heal her in four weeks, and he killed her in three by persuading her not to take her medicines"). [traduction: (Avec quelques coquilles/fautes de frappe: Il a dit à mon frère que Francisca Molina, il allait la guérir en quatre semaines, et il l'a tuée en trois en la persuadant de ne pas prendre ses médicaments)]<br>

 

The video itself is from a pro-Hamer populator...<br>maria.fernandez<br>Newbie<br>Posts: 1<br>Spanish victims of the [[MNG|New Germanic Medicine]] and [[Bioneuroemotion]] (with updates)<br>

« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 12:23:07 PM »<br>Good afternoon everyone,<br>My name is Maria Fernandez, I'm also a member of RedUNE Spain, and I collaborate with Mr. Molina. I'm writing this message because yesterday we've been informed that Itziar Orube passed away. The cause of the death was complications of breast cancer at an advanced stage. She went to hospital due to severe pain and problems in the lungs, according to what her son and members from hospital staff have told us privately.<br>As Mrs. Orube was one of GNM's main figures here in Spain, we'd be grateful to share any related information with you. You can email either Mr. Molina or myself (maria.fernandez.redune@gmail.com). Thanks in advance,<br>Maria Fernandez Muñoz<br>RedUNE Spain<br>http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8934.0</ref> est décédée le 8 septembre 2016 l'espagnole Itziar Orube Bona d'un cancer du sein avancé. Ce n'est que peu de temps avant son décès qu'elle est allée dans un hôpital à cause de douleurs intenses et de poumons remplis d'eau. Jusqu'à peu de temps avant son décès, elle croyait encore pouvoir se guérir elle-même avec la [[MNG]] <ref>Citation:<br>The Death of Itziar Orube<br>SEPTEMBER 14, 2016<br>Leading Germanic New Medicine proponent Itziar Orube has reportedly died<br>Earlier this year I blogged about the notorious [[Ryke Geerd Hamer]], a German physician who lost his medical license in 1986 after a number of patients in his care died.<br>

Now come reports of another Hamer-related death. Itziar Orube, a leading proponent of Hamer’s widely discredited theory of disease, the “[[MNG|Germanic New Medicine]]” (GNM), has reportedly died due to complications from breast cancer.<br>Proponents of GNM believe that the onset of disease occurs when a person suffers sudden or prolonged emotional trauma, and that conventional medicine should be rejected in favour of natural methods, including talking therapy.<br>According to Emilio Molina of RedUNE, a Spanish cult awareness network, Orube believed she was in the process of healing herself naturally, even as she lay on her deathbed.<br>“Although she used to refuse even analgesics [GNM asserts that painkillers compromise a patient’s recovery], at the very last moments she went to a ‘pain unit,’” said Molina. “Until the last moments she thought she was healing herself of her waterlogged lungs.”<br>Orube joins the growing list of people who have fallen victim to Hamer’s “death sect,” the youngest being 12-year-old German cancer patient Susanne Rehklau, who “died a painful death” in 2010 after Hamer gave her the all-clear.<br>Via my June 30, 2016 blog post, Hamer’s followers have set-up shop in the US, under the name the International Meta-Medicine Association (IMMA).<br>Quelle: https://shootingthemessenger.wordpress.com/tag/redune/</ref>. RedUNE a appris les détails par son fils et par le personnel de l'hôpital. Auparavant Itziar Orube déclarait être l'une des personnes "guéries" par la [[MNG]]<ref>https://www.ivoox.com/dl-68-debate-sobre-terapia-alternativa-del-audios-mp3_rf_916431_1.html Dans cette émission audio de 2011, Itziar Orube raconte elle-même longuement son parcours de cancéreuse, se considère guérie grâce à la méthode de Hamer et discute de celle-ci, écouter de la minute 52 à la minute 83 (espagnol)</ref>. La nouvelle de son décès avait été également diffusée sur facebook, mais le texte a été plus tard supprimé<ref>https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1179786898745701&id=100001432057211</ref>. Sur les pages Web de son école privée Escuela De Decodificacion Biologica Original (EDBO) à Barcelone<ref>ESCUELA DE DESCODIFICACIÓN BIOLÓGICA ORIGINAL, Ronda Universidad 3 1º 1ª, E-08007-Barcelona</ref>, il est dit le vendredi 09.09.2016 qu'elle aurait  "pris congé de nous pour toujours" jeudi dernier.

Now come reports of another Hamer-related death. Itziar Orube, a leading proponent of Hamer’s widely discredited theory of disease, the “[[MNG|Germanic New Medicine]]” (GNM), has reportedly died due to complications from breast cancer.<br>Proponents of GNM believe that the onset of disease occurs when a person suffers sudden or prolonged emotional trauma, and that conventional medicine should be rejected in favour of natural methods, including talking therapy.<br>According to Emilio Molina of RedUNE, a Spanish cult awareness network, Orube believed she was in the process of healing herself naturally, even as she lay on her deathbed.<br>“Although she used to refuse even analgesics [GNM asserts that painkillers compromise a patient’s recovery], at the very last moments she went to a ‘pain unit,’” said Molina. “Until the last moments she thought she was healing herself of her waterlogged lungs.”<br>Orube joins the growing list of people who have fallen victim to Hamer’s “death sect,” the youngest being 12-year-old German cancer patient Susanne Rehklau, who “died a painful death” in 2010 after Hamer gave her the all-clear.<br>Via my June 30, 2016 blog post, Hamer’s followers have set-up shop in the US, under the name the International Meta-Medicine Association (IMMA).<br>Quelle: https://shootingthemessenger.wordpress.com/tag/redune/</ref>. RedUNE a appris les détails par son fils et par le personnel de l'hôpital. Auparavant Itziar Orube déclarait être l'une des personnes "guéries" par la [[MNG]]<ref>https://www.ivoox.com/dl-68-debate-sobre-terapia-alternativa-del-audios-mp3_rf_916431_1.html Dans cette émission audio de 2011, Itziar Orube raconte elle-même longuement son parcours de cancéreuse, se considère guérie grâce à la méthode de Hamer et discute de celle-ci, écouter de la minute 52 à la minute 83 (espagnol)</ref>. La nouvelle de son décès avait été également diffusée sur facebook, mais le texte a été plus tard supprimé<ref>https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1179786898745701&id=100001432057211</ref>. Sur les pages Web de son école privée Escuela De Decodificacion Biologica Original (EDBO) à Barcelone<ref>ESCUELA DE DESCODIFICACIÓN BIOLÓGICA ORIGINAL, Ronda Universidad 3 1º 1ª, E-08007-Barcelona</ref>, il est dit le vendredi 09.09.2016 qu'elle aurait  "pris congé de nous pour toujours" jeudi dernier.