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Transcript of an aired interview with three former female Hamer-collaborators in one of the private and illegal clinics of the german former physician [[Ryke Geerd Hamer]] (clinic ''Amici di Dirk'' in Katzenelnbogen). Hamer is the inventor of [[Germanic New Medicine]].  

Transcript of an aired interview with three former female Hamer employees in one of the private and illegal hospitals of former German physician [[Ryke Geerd Hamer]] (clinic ''Amici di Dirk'' in Katzenelnbogen). Hamer is the inventor of [[Germanic New Medicine]].  

The interview was made by german journalist Silke Bauer in April 2007.

The interview was done by German journalist Silke Bauer in April 2007.

*Author: Silke Bauer, RADIO Wüste Welle, Tübingen 96,6 MHz c/o Sudhaus, Hechinger Str. 203 72072 Tübingen fone: 07071/7603-37, fax: -47 info(at)wueste-welle.de

*Author: Silke Bauer, RADIO Wüste Welle, Tübingen 96,6 MHz c/o Sudhaus, Hechinger Str. 203 72072 Tübingen fone: 07071/7603-37, fax: -47 info(at)wueste-welle.de

==Description==

==Description==

This transmission deals with the [[Germanic New Medicine]]. It takes the position of neither the opponents nor the adherents of the concept, since both sides have stated their positions forcefully on the Internet. Rather, I am interviewing former associates of Dr Hamer. They tell publicly, for the first time, of their work in the service of Dr Hamer. It was not easy to locate these women, as they had subsequently married and changed their names. These women in the end declared themselves to give these interviews because the matter is ongoing.

This transmission deals with [[Germanic New Medicine]]. It neither takes the position of opponents nor of adherents of the concept, since both sides have stated their positions forcefully on the Internet. Rather, I am interviewing former employees of Dr Hamer. For the first time, they tell publically of their work in the service of Dr Hamer. It was not easy to locate these women, as they had subsequently married and changed their names. These women in the end agreed to give these interviews because the matter is ongoing.

The former associates reported that, in the time they worked for Dr Hamer, they saw no-one who was cured by him. According to them, Dr Hamer had dying patients rapidly transferred to other hospitals, or transported to France, in order to be able to say that they had not died in his care. Were patients to die in Dr Hamer's Clinic, the former associates report that Dr Hamer instructed that nursing care was to continue on the dead, even after life had departed.

The former employees reported that, in the time they worked for Dr Hamer, they saw no-one cured by him. According to them, Dr Hamer had dying patients rapidly transferred to other hospitals, or transported to France, in order to be able to claim they did not die in his care. When patients died in Dr Hamer's Clinic, the former employees report that Dr Hamer ordered nursing care was to continue on the dead, even after life had departed.

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Three ex-associates of Ryke Geerd Hamer are interviewed in this radio transmission of a private broadcaster in Tübingen. They worked with him in one of his private cancer-clinics in 1985. It was a coincidence that one of these women was found in 2006 and that she could contact the two other. The women had changed name in the mean time after their marriage. These three women report for the first time in their lives about their time in this clinic ''Amici di Dirk'' in Katzenelnbogen near Koblenz (Germany).

Three ex-employees of Ryke Geerd Hamer are interviewed in this radio transmission of a private broadcaster in Tübingen. They worked for him in one of his private cancer clinics in 1985. One of these women was found by coincidence in 2006 and that she was able to provide contact to the two others. The women had changed their names in the meantime due to their marriage. These three women for the first report about their time in the clinic ''Amici di Dirk'' in Katzenelnbogen near Koblenz (Germany).

==Interview 1 by S. Bauer (B) with Mrs Gemmer (G)==

==Interview 1 by S. Bauer (B) with Mrs Gemmer (G)==

B: I am starting now with Mrs G, she was working then in the office of the clinic of Dr. Hamer in Katzenelnbogen.

B: I start now with Mrs G, she used to work in the office of the clinic of Dr. Hamer in Katzenelnbogen.

B: Mrs. G, I am first interested to know who were these patients being treated by Dr. Hamer. Who were these people?

B: Mrs. G, I am first interested to learn how these patients were being treated by Dr. Hamer. Who were these people?

G: They were people being virtually abandoned by scholastic medicine, they were abandoned people by scholastic medicine seeking last help in Dr. Hamer. They came from France, Italy and from all parts of Germany.

G: They were people virtually abandoned by scientific medicine, they were abandoned by scientific medicine seeking a last resort with Dr. Hamer. They came from France, Italy and from all parts of Germany.

B: Do you have an explanation why there were so many french patients?

B: Do you have an explanation why there were so many French patients?

G: There was a sponsor, I remember it, a french earl, who was somehow in that affair with his money. And that's why Dr. Hamer was known in France.

G: There was a sponsor, I remember, a French Earl, who was in that business with his money. And that's why Dr. Hamer was known in France.

B: It was Mr. D'Oncieu I suppose [earl Antoine D'Oncieu de la Batie, president of french ASAC association in Chambery]. He was supporting Dr. Hamer at that time. In your opinion: they were patients that have been completely abandoned by scholastic medicine?

B: It was Mr D'Oncieu I suppose [Earl Antoine D'Oncieu de la Batie, president of French ASAC association in Chambery]. He used to support Dr. Hamer at that time. In your opinion: they were patients completely abandoned by scientific medicine?

G: They were fatally ill patients. He transferred some of them in other clinics, to avoid to show deceased patients in his clinic, [but] knowing that they were terminally ill. And so there came up a new problem: suddenly the clinics in Koblenz and Limburg refused ro accept further terminally ill patients [from his clinic].

G: They were fatally ill patients. He transferred some of them to other clinics, to avoid having to present deceased patients in his clinic, [but] knowing that they were terminally ill. And so a new problem came up: suddenly the clinics in Koblenz and Limburg refused to accept further terminally ill patients [from his clinic].

B: I have heard also, concerning the transport of the cadavers, that this has been handled in a particular decent way..

B: I also heard, concerning the transport of the bodies, that this was handled in a particularly discreet way..

G: yes, yes, it happened always in the evening or during night that the transportation car for the corpses arrived - in order to avoid to show that car too often to the people.

G: Yes, yes, it always happened in the evening or during nights that the transportation car came for the bodies - in order to avoid that car being seen too often by people.

B: How long time did you work under Dr. Hamer?

B: How long did you work for Dr. Hamer?

G: It was not a long time, I started first of August [1985] and at the beginning of December, after the criminal police search action and they had confiscated everything, the clinic was closed.  

G: It was not a long time, I started August 1st [1985] and at the beginning of December, after the criminal investigation department did a house search and confiscated everything, the clinic was closed.  

B. At the beginning you were impressed by Dr. Hamer for a short time, when he came into your town. Is that correct ?

B. At the beginning you were impressed by Dr. Hamer for a short time, when he came into your town. Is that correct ?

G: That is correct, I saw this man and I thought: "Oh yes, this is a very different doctor. Physicians are usually ''gods in white''. My impression was: "he is human", but after about three days I thought "no, this Dr. Hamer is quite crazy in his head". I could not support that anymore, his affair.

G: That is correct, I saw this man and I thought: "Oh yes, this is a very different doctor. Physicians usually are ''gods in white''. My impression was: "He is human", but after about three days I thought "No, this Dr. Hamer is quite crazy in his head". I could not support that anymore, his affair.

B: What di you mean by this ?

B: What do you mean by this ?

G: I was rather the secretary, he dictated me some letters, to the district authorities, to the regional government, he was in a battle with everybody, he had also this persecution mania, always someone wanted to harm him. These letters were completely confused - I could not support that anymore, and so I thought "there is something wrong with that man".

G: I was just the secretary, he dictated me some letters, to the district authorities, to the regional government, he was in battle with everybody, he had this persecution mania, always thought someone wanted to harm him. These letters were completely confused - I could not support that any more, and so I thought "There is something wrong with that man".

B: But you remained there for almost half a year.

B: But you remained there for almost half a year.

G: Yes, in the mean time he had patients and somehow they had to be supplied. They were so poor people, often very ill, and I co-organized that a nurse was engaged for half-day. There was no money. Money failed, that was the evil. Then there was a woman to clean up the rooms, I engaged her from the old hospital, and in the kitchen we needed also some people to prepare the food for the patients. We could no simply abandon these people, the poor ill people.

G: Yes, in the meantime he had patients and they had to be taken care of somehow. They were poor people, often very ill, and I coorganized engaging a nurse who worked part-time. There was no money. Money lacked, that was the root of all evil. Then there was a woman to clean the rooms, I engaged her from the old hospital, and we also needed some people in the kitchen to prepare food for the patients. We could not simply abandon these people, these poor ill people.

B: You worked earlier in the same hospital, before Dr. arrived and you have be re-engaged as a secretary. So you are not out of any inner circle of Dr. Hamer, according to your narrative to me.

B: You worked in the same hospital earlier, before Dr. Hamer arrived and you were rehired as a secretary. So you never belonged to any inner circle of Dr. Hamer, according to what you told me.

G: No, no, earlier I had nothing to do with Dr. Hamer. I was in that hospital that was closed beenig too small and at that time we all were happy: "the work continues somehow ... a new doctor is coming and will guide this clinic and we may keep our place of work." But at the end everything developed in a very different way.

G: No, no, I had nothing to do with Dr. Hamer before. I was in that hospital which was closed for being too small and at that time we all were happy: "The work continues somehow ... a new doctor arrives and will direct this clinic, and we may keep our jobs." But in the end everything developed in a very different way.

B: Now I have a last question Mrs. G: Out of the period with Dr. Hamer, do you remember something exceptional?

B: Now I have a last question, Mrs. G: Out of the time with Dr. Hamer, do you remember something exceptional?

G: Yes, I can recall an issue that I will never forget in my life. We had a young and seriously ill female cancer patient and she was there together with her brother. And one morning Dr. Hamer went away with his car without telling us where he wanted to drive, when he wanted to return and gave us no phone number to call him - nothing. And the brother came then to me saying that his siter had much pain and he was seeking the doctor. I told him "I can't reach him, he did not tell us where he is now". and the brother returned two or three times "My sister is screaming because of her pain." And I thought: "I will call now an other doctor, it can not continue this way." And then I called our former surgeon who worked in a private practice then. And he told me: "I come, but I will bring an other collegue to come. I do not enter that clinic alone." He came with a second physician and they gave some analgetic drug to the young lady. And later they have sued Hamer [made a complaint]. So the whole affair (of closing the clinic] started. Later, the criminal police arrived and has confiscated everything. This issue triggered actually the closing of the clinic.  

G: Yes, I can recall an incident I will never forget in my life. We had a young and seriously ill female cancer patient and she was there with her brother. And one morning Dr. Hamer went away in his car without telling us where he meant to go, when he was going to return and gave us no phone number to contact him - nothing. And the brother came to me and said his sister was in pain badly and he was looking for the doctor. I told him "I can't reach him, he did not tell us where he went". And the brother returned two or three times: "My sister is screaming with pain." And I thought: "I will call another doctor now, it can not continue this way." And then I called our former surgeon who worked in a private practice then. And he told me: "I will come, but I will bring another collegue. I will not enter that clinic alone." He came with a second physician and they gave some analgetic drug to the young lady. And later they sued Hamer [made a complaint]. So the whole affair {of closing the clinic] started. Later, the criminal investigation department arrived and confiscated everything. This issue actually triggered the closing of the clinic.  

B: Why didn't this doctor want to come alone? Do you remember that?

B: Why didn't this doctor want to come alone? Do you remember that?

G: Yes, it was already a contestated issue at that time. He [Hamer]] said always: "the scholastic medicine"... The physicians did not agree the methods of Dr. Hamer. Dr. D. did not want to come alone, he wanted the presence of a witness, a second doctor.

G: Yes, it was already a controversial issue at that time. He [Hamer]] always said: "the scientific medicine"... The physicians did not agree to the methods of Dr. Hamer. Dr. D. did not want to come alone, he wanted the presence of a witness, a second doctor.

B: But how is it possible that he is practicing such a medicine? How do you explain that?

B: But how is it possible that he is practicing such a medicine? How do you explain that?

G: My explanation is the following: he was totally convinced about his method, I mean about his newly invented opportunities for cancer patients - he was obsessed with that.

G: My explanation is the following: he was totally convinced of his method, I mean of his newly invented opportunities for cancer patients - he was obsessed with that.

B: Thank you very much for this talk.

B: Thank you very much for this conversation.

==Interview 2 by S. Bauer (B) with Mrs Müller (M)==

==Interview 2 by S. Bauer (B) with Mrs Müller (M)==

B: ...Mrs. M., how did you start [to work with Dr. Hamer]?

B: ...Mrs. M., how did you start [to work with Dr. Hamer]?

M: The clinic was closed 31th of December 1984, because it was eliminate from a list of planned clinics [Krankenhauszielplan]. I continued to work there until the day 30th of June 1985 to conclude some works. And that Dr. Hamer presented himself in an assembly of the community and asked who wanted to work with him. I had family and so I said of course yes, I want to work with you.

M: The clinic was closed December 31, 1984, because it was taken from a list of planned clinics [Krankenhauszielplan]. I continued to work there until June 30 1985 to conclude some work. And that Dr. Hamer presented himself in an assembly of the community and asked who wanted to work for him. I had family and so of course I said yes, I want to work for you.

B: You worked as a secretary and you were in the administration?

B: You worked as a secretary and you were in the administration?

M: I am coming from the administration, exact.

M: I come from the administration, right.

B: Looking back, how would you describe your time with Dr. Hamer?

B: Looking back, how would you describe your time with Dr. Hamer?

M: I am describing it as a very chaotic period and exhausting time. Chaotic because he [Hamer] had no money, we had sometimes not enough money to feed our patients and so it was very very difficult to work there. He could not practice a therapy because sometimes there were no drugs available to relieve pain. I don't even know how he practiced his therapy, with what he did his therapies.

M: I can describe it as a very chaotic period and exhausting time. Chaotic because he [Hamer] had no money, we sometimes did not have enough money to feed our patients and so it was very, very difficult to work there. He could not practice a therapy because sometimes there were no drugs available to relieve pain. I don't even know how he practiced his therapy, what he used for his therapies.

B: Have you ever seen someone healed by his methods, as he is talking about ?

B: Have you ever seen someone healed by his methods, as he claims?

M: No, no. I have never seen someone who was healed during this period. Now I know the fact that natural medicine or chemo therapy have healed in the case of cancer and some say: "I have defeated cancer". But I have never seen someone even only recovering a little bit there during this period, looking back. Sometimes the people had more fun of life, because he transmitted them this fun of life, and he promised them, ..in the case of positive-thinking and believing in his method, that they will be healed. But there was no person I can remember, who left the clinic as a healed person, or improving after some time.

M: No, no. I have never seen anyone healed during this period. Now I know the fact that natural medicine or chemotherapy have healed cases of cancer and some say: "I defeated cancer". But I have never seen someone even as much as recovering a little bit there during this period, looking back. Sometimes people had more fun in life, because he transmitted them this fun in life, and he promised them, ..in the case of positive thinking and believing in his method, they will be healed. But there was no person I can remember who left the clinic as a healed person, or improving after some time.

B: And then some people died there. You worked there about half of a year?

B: And then some people died there. You worked there about half a year?

M: It was from August to December [1985], not even half of a year. Four,five month, this story was lasting no longer.

M: It was from August to December [1985], not even half a year. Four, five months, this story did not last any longer.

B: What happened with the patients who died or with the terminally ill patients before they died?

B: What happened to the patients who died or with the terminally ill patients before they died?

M: I remember a terrible event happening to me. He was looking always for money. And friends in France supported him very much. And when there was absolutely no money, he took his car and went to France. And then he left the patients and us alone for days. Sometimes this was lasting two or three days until he came back. And a I had a terrible experience - he was outside, or he wanted to start, early in the morning - and he asked me to take care of a particular french female patient. And he left us and two or one hour later I thought: "Okay, now you should go up to the ward." I was usually in the office. And I entered the room, stood in front of the bed and thought: "strange - this woman is not breathing anymore." And in fact, she did not breathe and I touched her and she was already completely cold. The rigor mortis [cadaveric rigidity] was present since a long time. Remembering it, I can feel something cold and hot flowing down my back, and still get problems remembering it. Seeing it from his point of view, then he did act this way because he wanted money for one more day from her family. But this woman, in my opinion, died earlier, during the last night, and he knew that, and he simply fled away.

M: I remember a terrible event happening to me. He was always looking for money. And friends in France supported him very much. And when there was absolutely no money left, he took his car and went to France. And then he left the patients and us alone for days. Sometimes it took two or three days before he came back. And I had a terrible experience - he was out, or he was about to go, early in the morning - and he asked me to take care of a particular French female patient. And after he left us and two or one hour later I thought: "Okay, now you should go up to the ward." I was in the office usually. And I entered the room, stood at the bed and thought: "Strange - this woman is not breathing anymore." And in fact she did not breathe, and I touched her and she was completely cold already. The rigor mortis had set in long before. Recalling this, I feel something cold and hot running down my back, and still have problems remembering it. Seeing it from his point of view, then he acted this way because he wanted money for one more day from her family. But this woman, in my opinion, died earlier, during the night before, and he knew that, and he simply fled.

B: Would it be possible, from your point of view, that he did not want to accept the reality?

B: Is it possible, from your point of view, that he did not want to accept reality?

M: I agree. He did not accept many facts. He was so absolute in his activities, he saw himself so absolutely, he was so autocratic, he could not admit that his method was not working. He could not admit this to himself or the outside world.

M: I agree. He did not accept many facts. He was so absolute in his activities, he saw himself so absolutely, he was so autocratic, he could not admit that his method did not work. He could not admit this to himself or to the outside world.

B: He likes to alledge that only very few people are dying with him.. so much less then those who use the "scholastic medicine". My question is now: these deaths, he does not acknowledge...?

B: He likes to allege that only very few people die in his care.. so much less then those using "scientific medicine". My question is now: these deaths, he does not acknowledge...?

M: [interupting] ..Yes, yes Frau Bauer, he handled it sometimes in a particular way. When he noticed that that someone was going to die, he dismissed him rapidly in an other hospital in the neighbourhood. I know that one patient died even during the transport, and the dismissed patients died in the other hospitals within a short time. And he never accepted any fault ! He never said: "The people were so ill, that the other hospitals could not save them." He always said that the other hospitals, or the other physicians ... or that the patients came too late to him. He never accepted any mistake.

M: [interupting] ..Yes, yes, Frau Bauer, he sometimes handled it in a particular way. When he noticed someone was going to die, he rapidly dismissed them to another hospital in the neighbourhood. I know that one patient even died during the transport, and the dismissed patients died in the other hospitals within a short time. And he never accepted any fault! He never said: "The people were so ill the other hospitals could not save them." He always said that the other hospitals, or the other physicians ... or that patients came to him too late. He never acknowledged any mistake.

B: Did the other hospitals accept this procedure without protesting?

B: Did the other hospitals accept this procedure without protest?

M: It was already known in the region that Dr. Hamer was practicing as a self-declared oncologist in this clinic in Katzenelnbogen, even it is not possible to call that "practicing". You cannot call that practicing. He did not use any particular method, used no drugs, not in sense of natural medicine and not in sense of scholastic medicine, being able to treat and help really. The surrounding clinics and physicians knew that he...

M: It was already known in the region that Dr. Hamer practiced as a self-declared oncologist in this clinic in Katzenelnbogen, even if it is not apt to call that "practicing". You cannot call that practicing. He did not use any particular method, used no drugs, not in the way of natural medicine and not in way of scientific medicine, being able to really treat and help. The surrounding clinics and physicians knew that he...

B: ...there were many french female and male patients among his patients during [your] period there. Where are they now? In the surrounding hospitals?

B: ...there were many female and male French patients among his patients during [your] period there. Where are they now? In the surrounding hospitals?

M: Yes, in part also... or he he dismissed them at home. He asked them to return home. I don' t know what he said to the relatives, he spoke a good french and we did not speak french.

M: Yes, spme of them, too... or he dismissed them to their home. He asked them to return home. I don't know what he told relatives, he spoke a good French and we did not speak French.

B: So he wanted these dying french patients to return home to France in an ambulance...

B: So he wanted these dying French patients to return home to France in an ambulance...

M: Yes. The one particular female patient I had to take care, died also. This was a problem of lacking money. Also, because he neede money, he did that. Not to become rich, to enable simply... all to survive.

M: Yes. One particular female patient I had to take care of died, too. This was a problem of lack of money. He also did that because he needed money. Not to become rich, to simply enable ... all to survive.

B: So not because of mammonism, but because he believed in his method?

B: So not because of mammonism, but because he believed in his methods?

M: Yes, yes. He believed his own ideas and everything for the survival should be bought. He bought even chicken when there was no money for feeding the patients.

M: Yes, yes. He believed in his own ideas and everything should be bought for the survival. He even bought chicken when there was no money to feed the patients.

B: What did he do with the chicken?

B: What did he do with the chicken?